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Danread



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Location: Perth

PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2011 1:40 pm    Post subject: Rigging ticket..... Reply with quote

Can anyone tell me if i need a basic or advanced ticket for hanging truss, lights, blocks, motors..... most of my work is in the corporate industry.... so ballrooms and such.
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Szoka



Joined: 26 May 2003
Location: Hobart, TAS

PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2011 3:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

To my knowledge you need a riggers ticket to hang truss and motors anywhere.

thats my 2 cents worth
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2011 4:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

as far as i was aware you need a rigger to hang any truss or motor, and they need to be aware of what ur hanging on it (weight load) to make sure they hang the right motors
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GL



Joined: 29 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2011 4:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Suspending a load (where judgement is required) can be performed with a Basic (RB) Rigging ticket. (NSW)

There are, however, several important factors to take into account...one of which, is liability insurance coverage for the rigging work done.

Where a judgement is not required, as in hanging a lamp on a truss (where the hook is designed to fit the truss/ lamp and there is only one way it can be fitted)... no ticket is needed as such.
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elliotsamuel



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2011 6:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

if you are connecting to a hoist or chainblock, you dont need.

if you are hanging said lifting gear, then you need.

If you are going to go through the either 2 weeks, or 2 months to get your basic ticket, that it is worth doing the extra part to get your advanced.

however, if you are a sub-contractor, then you need to think about the insurance implications. getting insurance becomes very expensive, because insurance companies aren't they sharpest chopsticks, if you know what I mean.

also, beware that doing your ticket in NSW it is a construction oriented course.
they wont talk to you about spanning and wrapping trusses, and they certainly wont talk about lifting 150kg point loads.

you've also got to have done your general safety induction(white card)
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GL



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2011 6:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

elliotsamuel wrote:


if you are connecting to a hoist or chainblock, you dont need.



this is the part which some see as a "grey area". NSW Workcover cover it as "where judgement is required"... an example of which is, determing the load's centre of gravity.
Employer training seems to get around this part though, for truss wrapping.
The Dogger's (DG) component of the RB license covers the "connecting to the hook" bit.

elliotsamuel wrote:


also, beware that doing your ticket in NSW it is a construction oriented course.
they wont talk to you about spanning and wrapping trusses, and they certainly wont talk about lifting 150kg point loads.



True... Workcover see it that way too, as construction and make no distinction between construction and entertainment, as the same principles do apply (and apply regardless of the weight of the load) of which entertainment rigging is a specialised/ specialist part of the trade... as is ship mooring.
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elliotsamuel



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2011 6:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

though, when i think about it, they way i've always thought, is that you need at least intermediate, as lifting a truss it a dual lift, at a minimum..

i did advanced years ago, and use it most days.

especially when I say I'm not doing that, because its not safe Very Happy
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GL



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2011 8:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

elliotsamuel wrote:


though, when i think about it, they way i've always thought, is that you need at least intermediate, as lifting a truss it a dual lift, at a minimum..




several independent (co-ordinated) or one central control (operator) point?

Dual lift generally refers to cranes, as the formual given and license testing on is for two cranes.
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Danread



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 1:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

so what licences do you guys hold?

Im aware of the fact most of the couse involves construction based practices..... all i really want to know is what couse i need to do to be covered if work safe comes to a gig and im the one who has signed off on everything....
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elliotsamuel



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 9:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Danread wrote:
so what licences do you guys hold?

Im aware of the fact most of the couse involves construction based practices..... all i really want to know is what couse i need to do to be covered if work safe comes to a gig and im the one who has signed off on everything....


Rigging Advanced.
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GL



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 2011 7:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.workcover.nsw.gov.au/licensing/Licencesandcertificates/Pages/Scaffoldingrigginganddogging.aspx

Dogging (DG)Consists of the application of slinging techniques to move a load (including the selection and inspection of lifting gear) and/or the directing of a crane/hoist operator in the movement of a load when the load is out of the view of the crane/hoist operator.



RiggingRigging work means the use of mechanical load shifting equipment and associated gear to move, place or secure a load using plant, equipment or members of a building or structure, to ensure the stability of those members and for the setting up and dismantling of cranes and hoists.



Basic rigging (RB)
Consists of dogging and rigging work involving:

•movement of plant and equipment
•steel erection
•hoists (including mast climbing hoists)
•placement of pre-cast concrete
•safety nets and static lines
•perimeter safety screens and shutters
•cantilevered crane-loading platforms.


Intermediate rigging (RI)
Consists of all basic rigging work including rigging work involving:

•cranes, conveyors, dredges and excavators
•tilt slabs
•hoists with jibs and self-climbing hoists
•demolition
•dual lifts.


Advanced rigging (RA)
Advanced rigging – consists of all intermediate rigging work including rigging work involving:

•gin poles and shear legs
•flying foxes and cableways
•guyed derricks and structures
•suspended and fabricated hung scaffolds.
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