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BLOW
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 Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2011 9:59 am Post subject: Anything Interesting at Entech ? |
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| For those whose went to entech what was their highlights for those who weren't there. |
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David Ashton
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| Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 12:54 pm Post subject: |
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| could it be the bump-out again? |
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BLOW
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| Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 1:51 pm Post subject: |
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| David Ashton wrote: |
| could it be the bump-out again? |
Na, I was thinking the ALIA produced seminars |
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Andy Ciddor
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| Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 7:40 pm Post subject: |
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| David Ashton wrote: |
| could it be the bump-out again? |
From my perspective the bump-out was indeed a highlight.
One thing was clear, although you may find this a little difficult to accept David, and that is the LED as a light source is appreciably closer to being useful than it has ever been.
I saw a Selador/ETC fixture on the Jands stand that uses about 17 (almost) different colours of precision-binned LEDs and internal processor to provide precision ongoing re-calibration and a to produce something akin to acceptable colour rendering.
I saw a Lumascape downlight (developed for house light replacement at a very big and very well known Sydney venue) on the State Automation stand. The LED source has been matched to the performance characteristics (including dimmer curve and halogen colour shift artefacts) of a tungsten lamp. It uses RGBAW LEDs and enough processing power to drive a Galaxy console and its tracking backup plus run the box office booking system and company accounting in the background. The reason that this fixture may have the economic performance required to justify its purchase is because of the vast cost of re-lamping in this venue due to access restrictions.
The Bad Boy is very big. LSC's Redback touchscreen is too small for anyone over the age of 15 to read.
The aisles at Entech were wide enough to allow pantechs to pass in either direction. There were very few stands and many that were there were space-filler comp or near comp stands. It's certainly the first trade show I've been to where the free stands for the trade publications (not including AV I should point out) took up 25% of the floor space.
LSC & State Automation were at the SMPTE side of the show, not Entech.
The ALIA seminars were pretty well attended and by all accounts well received. The Test & Tag session had a LOT of non-lighting people present.
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David Ashton
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| Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 10:11 pm Post subject: |
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"that is the LED as a light source is appreciably closer to being useful than it has ever been. "
How many years have we heard this?
Was this available in Fresnel and profile?
Just for a laugh, what is the cost of this "useful" light
can I start selling them into schools yet?
are they likely to be an economic product before cold fusion solves all our power problems?
You might find this hard to believe, but the LED industry leaves me a tiny bit cynical |
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Andy Ciddor
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| Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 1:10 am Post subject: |
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| David Ashton wrote: |
| You might find this hard to believe, but the LED industry leaves me a tiny bit cynical |
Thanks for pointing it out David, I hadn't realised that before 
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elliotsamuel
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| Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 7:04 am Post subject: |
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led source?
ohm light..
and the whole range of gekko products... |
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Ashley R
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| Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 6:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Andy Ciddor wrote: |
| David Ashton wrote: |
| could it be the bump-out again? |
From my perspective the bump-out was indeed a highlight.
The Bad Boy is very big. LSC's Redback touchscreen is too small for anyone over the age of 15 to read.
The aisles at Entech were wide enough to allow pantechs to pass in either direction. There were very few stands and many that were there were space-filler comp or near comp stands. It's certainly the first trade show I've been to where the free stands for the trade publications (not including AV I should point out) took up 25% of the floor space.
LSC & State Automation were at the SMPTE side of the show, not Entech.
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I would have to disagree with you on one point, the redback screen is impossible to read for people over the age of 20, as I proved you wrong  (Im 17, and read it just fine), but then only just today I found there were 3rd party solutions to LSC's 'selling point' of being able to directly hook up their own line of wall plates to a red back dimmer. E.g. the Clipsal C Bus DMX something something. Which allows for DMX control of anything from a simple wall plate.
One highlight for me was that there were a few people there promoting Tri LED fixtures, with out a massive price tag attached to them.
I was also surprised at the size of a Bad Boy, and I enjoyed wasting 20 mins of a telemarketers time at lunch on the phone 
I was a little unhappy about missing the ALIA seminars. (Kind of forgot....)
I was kind of expecting a larger booth from Show Tech, after seeing video's/pictures of Martin booths at LDI, PLSSA (or whatever it was), and some expo in China. I also noticed everyone had cut back on the promotional items compared to 2008, I managed to get enough pens and lanyards for 2008 to last a good 6-8 months of use, and i'm still using the Entech show bags from 08! (Best reusable bags around me thinks)
looks like I forgot one very crucial word in bold
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elliotsamuel
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| Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 9:13 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="Ashley R"]
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The Bad Boy is very big.
I was also surprised at the size of a Bad Boy, |
wait till you see the best boy in september  |
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djrappa
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| Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 2:33 am Post subject: |
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I actually found the show really good, mostly for networking type stuff but just to actually have a presence from the companies 'on the ground' again.
For people like me, there is little point to product at Entech, anything I'm interested in buying people will come show me. But not everyone is working in a company that pulled hundreds of millions in revenue each year.
For everyone from the regional venues, to the up and coming school kids, I think the Entech concept still has a lot of value, and having access to manufacturers and key people form the local distributors is great for those people.
Yes the show was small, even laughable really, but speaking to most of the exibitors on the final day all said they had found the show worthwhile. I think that may see numbers bolstered for next year.
I certainly felt entech had a very different feel to integrate, and both probably can stand together.
Apart from all that, it's always great to see ALL those people you only ever see once a year at these types of things and catch up.
As always I feel you need twice as many nights as days for these trade events.
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Scott Allan
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| Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 9:14 am Post subject: |
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| djrappa wrote: |
Apart from all that, it's always great to see ALL those people you only ever see once a year at these types of things and catch up.
As always I feel you need twice as many nights as days for these trade events. |
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zordmaker
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| Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2011 11:12 pm Post subject: |
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| David Ashton wrote: |
"that is the LED as a light source is appreciably closer to being useful than it has ever been. "
How many years have we heard this?
Was this available in Fresnel and profile?
Just for a laugh, what is the cost of this "useful" light
can I start selling them into schools yet?
are they likely to be an economic product before cold fusion solves all our power problems?
You might find this hard to believe, but the LED industry leaves me a tiny bit cynical |
Yes all well said!
Ad I'll add another one: can they be controlled as a conventional fixture, i.e. "OK, DMX Channel 1 is for Red, DMX Channel 2 is for Green, Channel 3 is for white" etc - as it would be if it were a conventional rig full of PARS?
Because this is about the limit of understanding of 90% of people you will find in schools regarding lighting i.e. "this fader controls this light" - and that's about it.
All the LED fixtures Ive come across so far are controlled like a moving light, i.e. DMX1 selects colour, DMX2 selects intensity, DMX3 selects effect, etc etc etc. Try and run that from a standard two preset Stage 12 desk. Good luck.
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djrappa
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| Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2011 12:23 am Post subject: |
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There's always going to be a point where technlogy just must move on and people with it.
You can't control the lights with a stage 12 forever.
It's up to the installer to make the control easy. And surely if every man and his dog (and CHILD) can use an iphone, get online, manage emails, etc as part of their daily lives, a simple lighting console shouldn't be too hard.
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BLOW
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| Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2011 10:27 am Post subject: |
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| I think the hardest part of this technolgy change will be to explain it to the teachers as kids seem to grasp technolgy changes heaps easier. |
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zordmaker
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| Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2011 2:00 pm Post subject: |
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| BLOW wrote: |
| I think the hardest part of this technolgy change will be to explain it to the teachers as kids seem to grasp technolgy changes heaps easier. |
That's because the kids have time to experiment and learn - the teachers don't.
There's no time to program a desk, no time to do anything. Quite often not even time for a rehearsal. You walk in 30 mins before the show, sit down and do a light show.
With a two preset desk and flash buttons they can do it. Anything else - it just doesn't happen.
I would be selling and installing LED fixtures in schools right now if I could find one which had a simple DMX scheme that could be implemented on a 2 preset desk with no other intelligence required and work just like a bar of PARs. It needs to work out of the box with no programming required (p.s. DIP switches on the back of the unit are OK)
Simple : 1 light replaces 4, and there are still four channels where the other four lights used to be - White & 3 colours.
Meat & 3 Veg, I guess you could say.
Cost? Considering you save on power and bar space - I would expect it to cost 5 to six times what the 4 PARS cost.
Challenge laid down to suppliers so there. Do it and I guarantee I can sell them into every school in the state in no time.
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